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The Debates on Being Liberated: Can the Mind Be Half Liberated?
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The Debates on Being Liberated: Can the Mind Be Half Liberated?

Sarāgaṃ cittaṃ vimuccati

Two consecutive debates in chapter 3. One side holds that a mind with lust is liberated, and that a mind already liberated is still in the process of being liberated. The Theravāda asks whether lust is then liberated along with the mind, whether anyone can be a stream-enterer only in part, and points out that the mind is only either lustful or not lustful.

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In the Vimuccatikathā of the Kathāvatthu, Tipiṭaka volume 37, chapter 3, the opponent (paravādī) agrees that a mind with lust is liberated. The Theravādin (sakavādī) asks: is a mind accompanied by lust, arisen with lust, associated with lust, unwholesome, mundane, an object of the taints and of defilement, liberated? If a mind with contact is liberated and both contact and mind are liberated together, then when a mind with lust is liberated, are both lust and mind liberated together? He asks the same about hatred and delusion. The debate ends with the objection that, since it is not accepted that a mind already free of lust is still to be liberated, it must be the mind with lust that is liberated.

In the Vimuccamānakathā that follows, the opponent agrees that a mind already liberated is still being liberated. The Theravādin asks: then is one part liberated and another part not? Is one part a stream-enterer and another part not? Each side quotes a different discourse, and at the end the Theravādin points out that the mind is only either lustful or not lustful; there is no mind in between.

The next debate, the Aṭṭhamakakathā, asks whether the eighth person, the one on the path of stream-entry, has already abandoned views. This page covers only the first two debates.

  1. 1

    Is a mind with lust liberated? Sarāgaṃ cittaṃ vimuccati

    The opponent agrees that a mind with lust is liberated. The Theravādin asks: is a mind accompanied by lust, arisen with lust, mixed with lust, associated with lust, unwholesome, mundane, an object of the taints, fetters, hindrances, clinging and defilement, liberated? The opponent says this should not be said. He asks the same about a mind with hatred and a mind with delusion.

    Applying it in daily life

    While desire or anger is overwhelming the mind, don't make important decisions yet. Wait until the mind has loosened from it.

  2. 2

    If the mind is liberated, is lust liberated too? Rāgo ca cittañca ubho vimuccanti

    The Theravādin asks: when a mind with contact is liberated, are both contact and mind liberated together? The opponent agrees. Then when a mind with lust is liberated, are both lust and mind liberated together? The opponent cannot agree, because lust is something to be abandoned, not something liberated along with the mind.

    Applying it in daily life

    Beware of wrapping bad feelings in nice words, such as calling envy 'motivation'. The feeling does not get better because of the name we give it.

  3. 3

    A mind already free of lust Vītarāgaṃ vītadosaṃ vītamohaṃ nikkilesaṃ cittaṃ

    At the end of the Vimuccatikathā comes the objection: if it should not be said that a mind with lust, hatred and delusion is liberated, is a mind free of lust, hatred and delusion, without defilement, still to be liberated? The answer is that this should not be said, so the objector concludes that it must be the mind with lust that is liberated. The text ends the debate here without further explanation. This point is for overall understanding.

    Applying it in daily life

    Some questions don't end with a ready-made answer. Reading the Kathāvatthu trains us to see where each conclusion leads, without rushing to a single answer.

  4. 4

    Is one part liberated and another not? Ekadesaṃ vimuttaṃ ekadesaṃ avimuttaṃ

    In the Vimuccamānakathā, the opponent agrees that a mind already liberated is still being liberated. The Theravādin asks: then is one part liberated and another not? Is one part a stream-enterer and another not? Has one part attained the fruit of stream-entry, with unwavering confidence in the Triple Gem and virtue dear to the noble ones, while another part has not? He asks the same up to the arahant. The opponent cannot agree.

    Applying it in daily life

    When assessing your own change, look at real situations, for example whether you could refrain from retaliating when criticised today, rather than vaguely saying you are halfway better.

  5. 5

    Liberated at arising, being liberated at ceasing? Uppādakkhaṇe vimuttaṃ

    The Theravādin asks further: if a mind already liberated is still being liberated, does that mean the mind is liberated at the moment of arising and still being liberated at the moment of ceasing? The opponent cannot agree. This point is for overall understanding.

    Applying it in daily life

    When a strong emotion comes, remember that mental states arise and cease very quickly and do not last as long as they feel. Knowing this helps you not follow the emotion at once.

  6. 6

    The discourses each side quotes Kāmāsavāpi cittaṃ vimuccati

    The opponent quotes: when he knows thus and sees thus, the mind is liberated from the taint of sensuality, the taint of existence and the taint of ignorance. Because it says 'is liberated', the opponent holds that a liberated mind is still being liberated. The Theravādin quotes: when the mind is thus concentrated, pure, bright, unblemished, rid of imperfection, malleable, wieldy, steady and imperturbable, he directs it to the knowledge of the destruction of the taints. So it should not be said that a mind already liberated is still being liberated.

    Applying it in daily life

    Before meditating or doing work that needs a clear mind, first settle the mind and soften it. Deeper understanding comes more easily when the mind is ready.

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    The mind is either lustful or not Rattañceva arattañca

    The Theravādin asks: is there a mind that is being liberated? If so, is there also a mind that is being lustful, being angry, being deluded? The opponent cannot agree. So he asks: isn't the mind only lustful or not lustful, angry or not angry, deluded or not deluded? The opponent agrees, so it should not be said that there is a mind being liberated.

    Applying it in daily life

    In mindfulness practice, simply note whether there is irritation in the mind right now or not. A straightforward answer helps you catch it faster than long analysis.

Try it in daily life

In daily life we often tell ourselves we are letting go while the mind still grips its anger tightly. This debate invites honesty: right now, is there anger in the mind or not? No need to console ourselves with 'half free already'.

On the other hand, that the mind has lust or aversion right now does not decide that it will always be so. The discourse the Theravāda quotes sets out the order: when the mind is concentrated, pure, malleable and wieldy, it is directed to the knowledge of the destruction of the taints. Our work is to prepare the mind to reach that state.

This moment-by-moment observation works well in mindfulness practice, but don't use it to judge yourself too harshly. Change happens moment by moment and accumulates over time.

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