At one time in Sāvatthī there was a female lay follower called Saddhā who had misplaced faith. She had the view that a woman who gives sexual intercourse gives the highest gift. She saw a monk and said, “Sir, come and have sexual intercourse.” “It’s not allowable.” “Then rub between the thighs. … Then I’ll make you discharge with my hand. In this way there won’t be any offense for you.” The monk acted accordingly. He became anxious … “There’s no offense entailing expulsion, but there’s an offense entailing suspension.”

At one time in Vesālī some Licchavī youths grabbed a monk and made him commit misconduct with a nun. … made him commit misconduct with a trainee nun. … made him commit misconduct with a novice nun. Both consented: both should be expelled. Neither consented: there is no offense for either.